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Stairwells
Tue, 07/06/2010 - 21:11 — Rome
Just throwing another one out there, into the ether...
Why is it that I cannot access the stairwells from outside?
Even when i go down the stairwell from my floor, i cannot use them to get into P2 or P3. The doors have the same type of keyholes as the regular hallway/elevator ones, but our keys dont function down there. Why is this?
Stairwell Access
It wasn't always the case. Prior to the knobs being busted (by those unfortunates that would break into the parkade that way), our keys DID work in the stairwells. Then, for some reason, when the knobs were repaired, the locks were changed to what we have now. I have no idea why.
I'm still of the opinion that, now that residents can't access the parkade through the stairwells anyway, the knobs should be removed and the doors changed to "exit only" access, so that the stairwells can't be used as a parkade break-in point. I'm still working on that.
hmm
i'm not sure how those two things relate?
having useless knobs on the inside of stairwell doors down in the parkade
+
those doors being used as a parkade break-in point
first, we can't even gain access to the stairwells from the outside (aside from the main one which is open during certain hours due to impark)
outside of those times, the only way to access the stairwells is from the floors, or from the impark section of the parkade-meaning people would have to go in through the gate, and then go into the parkade, and then break one of the doors that even we cannot open
whether there are knobs there or not, i dont think really affects their ability to 'break in'
the only way to effectively prevent that would be to maybe brick up those doors? haha...
that being said, i dont even find it likely that they WOULD go to the trouble of breaking the door when they could simply:
A) jump over the fence
B) wait for a car to go in/out, then just stroll in after it
i'm just more annoyed due to the fact that there are times that its faster for me to use a stairwell to go down/up (due to elevator issues, or whatever)
only to find i cannot access the proper floor in the parkade, even though it deceptively LOOKS like i can... then having to turn around, go back to p2, and manually walk through the parkade to reach my destination.
silly+annoying
Relation...
Whether it made sense or not for them to have broken into the parkade that way or not, the fact is, they DID. Not exclusively, of course. The other two methods were also used. Every way and any way, I guess. (Oh, and they`d break the knobs to get back in because they`d prop the doors on the main level open with a random piece of junk, thereby getting around the fact the outside has no knobs to break).
Anyway, it sounds like it doesn`t really matter, unless you are trying to go from one floor of the parkade to another. The parkade stairwells exit to the exterior on the ground level of the building, so you wouldn`t be able to use them to access the residential towers. You`d have to go back inside to the lobby and take the elevator.
as far as i know, parkade
as far as i know, parkade stairwells are simply the bottom parts of the residential stairwells. There is a door at the bottom, which is openable by our blue key, allowing us to walk up to whatever floor.
Which is sort of why im asking the question in the first place. I can go from my car to my apartment via stairwell, but not the other way around.
Also the fact that i can access the upper floors with my blue key from the parkade, yet cannot at all access the stairwell from the outside with the same key.
It just seems so nonsensical, and illogical. Like someones 7yearold niece was put in charge of planning which keys can be used where.
Not Quite
Nope, the parkade stairwells aren't connected to the residential stairwells. The tower stairwells all empty to the ground level; the parkade stairwells surface to the ground level. The doors to each are (usually) right beside one another, but they aren't connected.
I believe, however, in the center tower, there is a hallway which connects the two stairwells, but you'd need the same key (which none of us has) to open the passage way. I think we're all better off this way, as I'd rather confine the random folks who wander in off the street and don't belong in the building in the first place (and enter through the parkade) to the parkade and not the towers. (Of course, I'd much rather that they didn't get in at ALL, but we've got a ways to go on that yet).
That said, I agree that it makes no sense that OUR keys don't work in the parkade stairwell doors. I asked the same question and felt the same way when I first discovered the same thing last year. I've come up with a solution, but I'm still working on getting it implemented. Hopefully, sooner rather than later, but sadly, that doesn't ever seem to be the case.
not quite not quite
simply put, the 'stacks' in the parkade are the bottom parts of the residential stacks
due to the... lets say *interesting* design of our floors, the explanation becomes a little tricky
every floor of the parkade is pretty well identical. if we take any one of the three floors, it can be bisected into a west and east part.
each half has 3 doors, each leading to a stairwell. now this sounds like there are 6 stairwells. actually, there are only 4 parkade stairwells (stacks).
the northernmost (north-eastern) stairwell door, acessible to the public only from P1, is its own individual stairwell. It is the only stairwell that simply empties into the outside world, next to the north towers northern stairwell door. they are unconnected, and for this stairwell alone (and this solitary doorway on P1) what you've stated is true.
the southernmost (south-western) stairwell door, accessible from both P1 and P2, empties into the south towers southern stairwell, which exits the building about 10m from the Pints front door. This is where we had all the issues with the doors and people breaking in etc etc.
the other two doors per side are mirrors of each other. two pairs, each effectively forming up and joining a single stairwell. The bottom of one of the buildings' stairwells. They both empty into the back alley.
The building has 6 stairwells, 3 of which extend into the parkades. +1 northern parkade-only stairwell.
On P1 there are 6 stairwell doors acessible to the public, and on P2 there are 3. of those 9 doors, only one empties into the outside without sharing a hallway with a door that leads up to the building floors. that leaves 8 doors leading to a door which leads upstairs. If there is a risk of them breaking through a doorknob, all of these are at risk. I mean, whats the difference between 1 broken doorknob, and 2 broken doorknobs? a single broken doorknob... and for those breaking doorknobs, when in rome...
anyways, i personally don't believe that knob-breaking to be a huge issue. If criminals want to get in, there are far easier ways to gain access. I'm just bitter about being made to do extra stairs by having to double back - when im in a rush! =\